Morgan Solar CPV evolves

First CEO, product status, trial installations, and manufacturing plans.
Hexagons trump squares.

MSIlogo Even though I promised to post about Morgan Solar Inc. last year in SPI 09: Concentrating PhotoVoltaics Highlights, I am just getting around to it after Solar Power International 10 (SPI 10). In fact, I interviewed Morgan Solar Vice-President, Business Development and Marketing, Nicolas Morgan, before SPI 10 began.

Exclusive: Canadian Solar Startup Hires eSolar Founder As CEO” at Green Energy Reporter was the first to report on the hiring of Asif Ansari by Concentrating PhotoVoltaic (CPV) start-up Morgan Solar as their first Chief Executive Officer (CEO). Mr. Ansari, the former CEO of eSolar, Inc., will remain as Chairman of his new start-up, Suntrough Energy. On joining Morgan Solar, Mr. Ansari said:

When I first started to get a real sense of what Morgan Solar had accomplished, it blew my mind. The more I dug into the details, the more clear it became that these guys had really developed a game changer.

Current Test Sites
When I asked Nicolas Morgan about the status of the “Sun Simba Test Site Install”, Nic Morgan said: “There are actually a couple of test sites.” Among others, Morgan Solar has an established partnership with the University of Ottawa SUNLab which was pleased to add a local CPV systems partner. Morgan Solar has not deployed large numbers of panels for testing to date though test installations are planned to ramp up in 2011 as will be discussed later.

Product Status
MSI - Updated PanelAt SPI 10, Morgan Solar had four (4) fully functional panels on display at their expo booth versus the two deliberate non-functional prototypes shown at SPI 09. While the panels featured the square Light-guide Solar Optic (LSO) design, I learned Morgan Solar has redesigned the LSO into a hexagonal shape to increase the active Sun Simba CPV module area and material efficiency as shown in the drawing. Since the Sun Simba LSOs are not framed, the hexagonal shape does not create the obvious voids present in the first generation SolFocus CPV modules. Morgan Solar has also been evaluating new heat sink designs to improve passive cooling surface area balanced by manufacturability considerations. One design example was part of the booth signage for those bothering to look.

Nic Morgan was careful not to set unrealistic expectations. A tool for the injection molded plastic optics “should be finalized in November”. As a diamond needle is used to cut the mold with extreme precision, the process sometimes needs to be restarted leading to minor delays. Once the mold is trained and optics are produced, the first panels will be assembled and tested at Morgan Solar’s Toronto Canada facility for about six to ten weeks to determine if the panels are ready for certification. Morgan Solar expects to submit panels for certification as early as the end of 2010 but no later than the first quarter 2011. In particular, the UV and outdoor test of IEC 62108 can take up to 9 months to complete and any failures require the test cycle to restart.

Trial 2011 Installations
Morgan Solar has ambitious plans to install 400 to 500 kiloWatts (kW) of CPV test systems beginning in early 2011. A 200 kiloWatt pre-certification CPV system will be installed at the Lancaster National Soccer Center near the 25 acres Morgan Solar leased from Lancaster, California USA, with the exact completion date subject to logistics timing. Morgan further plans to deploy a 2 to 5 MW project on the leased land if the 200 kW trial system achieves specific performance metrics and deadlines. Please see “Lancaster City Council Approves 25-Acre Lease to Morgan Solar Canadian Firm to Produce Photovoltaic Solar Power Near Soccer Center” for the details.

In addition, a 100 kW installation is planned for Port Dover, Ontario, Canada, a test site of unspecified size in Spain, and potential test systems may be located in the Middle East, India, and other US locations. Individual panels and very small installs (~2 kW) are slated for testing by the University of Ottawa SUNLab and the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL).

CEBFP Loan approval
Per “Gov. Schwarzenegger Applauds Final Loans for Clean Energy Business Financing Program”, the California Energy Commission (CEC) approved a $3,305,000 Clean Energy Business Financing Program (CEBFP) loan to Morgan Solar who will match the funds to purchase equipment that includes assembly and injection molding machines to manufacture the optical concentrator element (LSO) at an existing Nypro, Inc. plant in Chula Vista, California USA. Morgan Solar Aims to Start Production in Cali in 2011” by Ucilia Wang at Earth2tech said:

The startup has picked Chula Vista, Calif., as the location for its factory to produce optics for its concentrating PV system starting in spring 2011. The company has a panel assembly facility at its headquarters. The overall plan is to run a manufacturing operation that can produce up to 35 megawatts of solar panels per year in 2011, he said.

Morgan Solar could not discuss the details of this loan as they are still negotiating the contracts with the CEC but reiterated the program was designed to create green jobs in solar energy via manufacturing equipment loans. Morgan Solar said panel assembly will continue at their facility in Canada indefinitely, although additional manufacturing capacity will have to be brought online soon, some or all of which could be in California.

Morgan Solar intends to start rolling out the first commercial Sun Simba CPV systems shortly after the trial systems. Bullish early adopters of small scale, self financed CPV projects will be the initial target focus and a first step on the path from market ready CPV systems to full bankability.

Morgan Solar is =the= company to watch for a breakaway from the HCPV (High Concentration PhotoVoltaic) pack to join market leaders Amonix, SolFocus, and Concentrix Solar.

27 comments

  1. Eric Wesoff says:

    OK. So why are they “the” company to watch?

  2. admin says:

    It’s all about the LSO and freeing CPV design from Fresnel lens and mirror focal length considerations. Just say no to shoe or bread boxes (or balloons).

  3. Solvida says:

    What are the BOS requirements for this technology in terms of tracking? Breaking away from the HCPV pack means understanding system wide implications of a module design, not just the design itself. Despite shortcomings, SolFocus, Concentrix and Amonix have proven to be able to develop a scalable product.

  4. Carlos says:

    It’s a match made in heaven. Put the morgan solar technology onto the Amonix trackers. Then get Apple designers to make ‘em look cool. Then install them into every car park in the universe where you wouldn’t dare park in summer – and in the median strip of every multi lane motor way.

    It’s not inspiring seeing solar panels on denuded earth. What did they do? Spray agent orange? It screams “brown”, not “green”.

  5. Nuguy says:

    Diamond cut injection molding tool to be finalized in November. Sounds expensive — and if the tool needs to be so precise its lifetime won’t be very long. Might be another case of CPV replacing expensive semiconductor with expensive plastic.

  6. Keef Wivanef says:

    If this is not a SCAM I will eat my hat.
    Have Morgan solar rewritten the laws of physics?
    Just another SUNCUBE SCAM to fool the dumb as dogshit investors.
    Coming real soon….send MUNNY!!

    You can fool all of the people all of the time IF THEY ARE AMERICAN!!!

    WHOOO HOO!!

  7. Keef Wivanef says:

    BTW CLEAR ACRYLIC….IN SUNLIGHT!!!

    And how long before that turns to dust?

    WHAT A FREAKING JOKE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh5ZpiwklZo
    Meet the entrepreneur?
    Meet the CON ARTIST more likely!!

  8. Hi Keef,

    I’m not sure what’s behind your hostility towards Morgan Solar.
    I think it’s a bit unfair for you to go on a rampage and call our technology “a scam” our investors ” dumb as dogshit americans” and our founder a “con artist” when you clearly know nothing about us.

    Had you perhaps done a bit of research, you would have found that our technology in no way breaks any laws of physics. We have simply used a well known property (TIR) to design an optical collector. This is something that has never been done and has allowed us the potential to put together a simple, low cost, high efficiency solar system. You would also find that our investors are global industry leaders. Iberdrola Renewables for instance, is a global utility based out of Spain. They happen to be the biggest deployer of renewable energy in the world. Do you think that they would invest in “a scam” and not do their due diligence? You also put in question the credibility of our founder. If you took some time to read about him, you would know that he has dedicated a good portion of his life to help struggling communities in the developing world. You would have also learned that working with remote communities that had no access to electricity was what motivated him to dedicate his efforts to solar.

    Our motivation lies within the belief that electricity should be a human right, not a privilege. We intend to make solar energy affordable and deployable anywhere it is needed.

    What’s your motivation Keef? I invite you to call me any time if you have doubts of our technology or our integrity. We have absolutely nothing to hide my friend.

    Regards,

    Sebastian Martinez
    Morgan Solar Inc.
    416 203 1655

  9. Keef Wivanef says:

    Hi Sebastian
    When I blew the whistle on Greg Watson and the SunCube my opponents claimed that I was a lunatic and that if a major company like Emcore believed strongly in the SunCube then it must be genuine and they must have done DD.
    The name Iberdrola was also bandied about.

    I looked at the claims made for the SunCube.
    I looked at the photographs and videos.
    I used the internet waybackmachine to look at the constantly changing fairytales published by the company.
    I concluded that IMHO it was all BOLLOCKS!!

    I have done the same with your company.
    I have reached the same conclusion.

    Go, ahead…prove me wrong.
    Show us some REAL independent test results.

  10. Keef Wivanef says:

    Small, blue planet, helping the poor folks get cheaper solar power, not in it for the money….GOLLY….where did I hear that before?

    Hi Andrew,

    If you are really interested in the truth how about talking to me instead of listening to Keefwivanef There is a war out there, the planet is starting to show signs of irreversible climate change and neither PV nor CSP can deliver solar kWhs at fossil fuel prices. Only CPV can do that. Your efforts are not helping ANY of the new and emerging CPV players who are intent on producing CPV systems which can deliver grid kWhs at fossil prices.

    Had you asked me to explain to GGE business model, how the SCIG works and what those 200 MWs of receiver orders we placed on Emcore meant, you could have gone long and made a LOT more money than going short. As some guidance, we believe that for every GW of receivers that Emcore ships, they will nett around US$120m. To achieve a worldwide 20% renewable target by 2020 will take around 100GW per year of the renewable generation for ever. To go to 50% CO2 reduction you need to triple that. At say 10% of the market for Emcore receivers, that is a LOT of Emcore receivers.

    Sharp has just committed to increasing their flat panel production from 700 MWs per year to 6,000 MWs. You think they think there is no multi GW market available? BTW it costs Sharp US$1 billion of capital per 1 GW plant. To build a combined Emcore and GGE SunCube 1 GW plant is around US$120 million. As the resultant CPV product cost per annual kWh produced is 25% of the flat panel and the plant capital cost is 1/8, which do you think the worlds economists and banks will back?

    Emcore is at the core of a new generation of PV technology that is as radically different from existing PV as a vinyl record is from a Blue Ray disc. Both Emcore and GGE have done the hard yards to create a world best CPV module that is backed by the CPV industries first warranty. We did that, and delayed our production as both of us knew we needed to do this step to ensure customer faith in this technology. I mean aluminium, glass, mirrors, plastic, motors, gears, electronics are all well known and the MTBF and MTTR figures are fairly easy to calculate. What is new is the receiver and the cell. So working with Emcore we have delivered to the whole CPV industry a massive leg up in technology credibility with the Emcore warranty.

    Your efforts to totally discredit Emcore, GGE and the SCIG are not helping nervous customers to hand over their PPA’s to ANY CPV system integrator (solar farm builder) so they can start generating the fossil fuel parity solar kWhs that this small blue planet so desperately needs.

    BTW you have been used as a pawn in keefwivanef’s psycho stalk Greg Watson game. ( RUDETHINGSRUDETHINGSRUDETHINGS)
    I trust you are different.

    As I said, there is a war going on out there. CPV will displace the PV industry on the surface of the planet just like it has done in space. It took Emcore and Spectrolab 8 years to replace silicon out there. Now it is time to do the same on the surface of the planet. They have the mature cell technology needed and just need a LOT of new start ups with no vested interests in preserving 10′s of billions in flat panel plant. I mean you too would fight CPV if you were facing massive stranding of invested PV plant.

    So Andrew pick a side as the war between PV and CPV has started. BTW in war “Truth is the First Causality”.

    Yawn…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..shnorrrrrrrrrrr………..

  11. Keef Wivanef says:

    This lovely small blue planet saving company ENDED BADLY…..very badly indeed!!

    Thursday 19 July 2007
    SunSeeker banking on solar technology
    SunSeeker Energy (Australasia) (SSE) didn’t raise any capital as part of its listing but quietly went ahead and listed with a market cap of just over $18 million. The company’s motto is “To save the planet for our children’s children”, and it describes itself as “an ethical green business in renewable energy committed to exploiting solar technology to help fight global warming and rescue the planet for our children’s children”.

    Looks as though there is nothing like starting as you mean to go on. In fact, the company’s reason for being looks like the ultimate think-global, act-local strategy.
    As the name suggests the company is about using the sun to generate energy, via a new technology called segmented parabola energy (SPE), whatever that is. A search on Google using that term yielded a rare singularity – only one result and it was from the SunSeeker Energy Australasia website.

    So not much information to go on about what the technology does or its benefits. Of course this may come, but as yet, the information doesn’t appear to be available.
    SSE’s only asset is a 32 per cent shareholding in a company called Sun Seeker Energy (UK) Ltd, a British-based company that holds the rights for the marketing and manufacture of SunSeeker’s products in Australasia, and is negotiating to acquire the rights for the British market.

    SunSeeker Energy (UK) is looking to list on the AIM market in London in order to raise capital to develop SunSeeker’s products for the British market.
    SSE plans to manufacture and market the same types of products for the New Zealand market.

    However, looking through the company’s website and the website of the ultimate rights holder, SunSeeker Energy Ltd of Hong Kong, there isn’t even a picture of what one of these units might look like. SSE claims that these units have several advantages and positive attributes, but it is hard to know if the units are any good based on the information publicly available.

    Frankly, there is hardly any information available and that makes any assessment of the company’s prospects, even at the most basic level, difficult.
    Clearly, the plan is to raise capital to build manufacturing capacity, sales and marketing channels and the necessary company and administration facilities, but how much is an open question.

    The SPE product is a new technology and there is no information as to how this might be received by potential purchasers.

    All that appears to have happened to date is that the Hong Kong-based company has sold some territory licenses and will be paid a royalty stream, presumably to fund further research and development. Australia and New Zealand seem to be at the forefront of the licence sales.
    The directors of SSE must have had some level of information about the product and its prospects, but have chosen or been unable to share it with potential investors.

    There is also a lack of market information about the demand for solar power in general. The demand for non-fossil fuel energy is growing, but what does that mean for solar power?
    It has always been a bit on the margin of power generation because of the cost per kilowatt-hour to generate electricity. Does SSE have something new that will create a new paradigm for electricity generation?

    Don’t know. Can’t tell. According to the licence agreements that are available on the company’s page on the NZX website, SSE will have to start paying royalties in October, at the rate of A$30,000 a month. This is almost $400,000 per annum, and the money will have to come from somewhere as SSE doesn’t appear to have much in the bank at all. The company will have to get about raising its profile with investors and brokers if it wants to raise capital from the market in the next few months.

    It is good to see companies with ideas using the NZAX market, but it has to be asked whether SSE has decided to list too early. The company has one asset, a significant, but minority position in another company that holds the rights to the licences that the company has signed up to. It doesn’t appear to have any cash, and its prospects are difficult to get to grips with simply because information is hard to come by. It is a true speculative investment. It would have been better perhaps to wait till SSE had developed a bit further before going ahead with a listing.

  12. JJOhio says:

    Hello Keef Wivanef,
    I’m not at all affiliated with Morgan Solar (though I wish I were).
    However, I have looked at the specs for their idea, and well, it does follow the laws of physics. Basically, they are using ‘light guides’ (or light pipes) to concentrate the light onto the photovoltaic cell.
    Their site right now doesn’t have any of the detailed drawings, but there used to be somewhat detailed drawings online, and I’ve seen them. It’s actually a pretty unique idea.
    I don’t necessarily agree with everything they are doing (and have ideas for applications other than theirs), but wish I had a bunch of cash to invest (although they really aren’t accepting investors now anyway), because anyone investing with them will be rewarded nicely in time.
    As for the use of acrylic (from the perspective of a chemist), acrylic can be treated to withstand the heat and cold and sunlight. The only question I have is whether it will withstand the forces of dust by wind (scuffing).
    Remember, modern cars use acrylic a lot of times for their headlights, and they can last decades with little visible wear and tear. The same is true of these Sun Simbas.
    Morgan Solar has maximized the use of the inexpensive part of the concentrator (acrylic light guide), and minimized the expensive part (photovoltaic cell). Again, I think it’s a great idea!
    Nice touch going with the hexagonal shape Sebastion instead of squares! That should give you higher output energy density per unit of surface area!

  13. Keef Wivanef says:

    Great to see you are keeping it all in the family!!!

    John Paul has since been joined by his brother, Nicolas Morgan, and his cousin, Sebastian
    Martinez, both with significant business development experience. Morgan Solar has also brought
    together a small yet agile team of world class optical scientists, computer scientists, engineers,
    and manufacturing technicians.
    From 2007 to 2008, Morgan Solar’s efforts were dedicated to prototyping and refining its highly
    unique solar technology. In 2009, Morgan Solar raised USD $8.2 million from a mix of strategic
    investors and venture capitalists. In 2010, Morgan Solar will deploy test and demonstration sites
    of the Sun Simba in Ontario, the United States, and Spain, gearing up for commercial sales of the
    Sun Simba at the start of 2011.
    Financial Information
    Morgan Solar closed the first part of their Round A investment in December 2009, securing USD
    $8.2 million from a mix of strategic investors and venture capital funds. Strategic investors
    participating in the first round are Iberdrola Group SA and Nypro Inc. Connecticut-based venture
    capital fund Turnstone Capital Management LLC. led the first round, with additional funds raised
    from two Canadian venture capital groups.

    Sun Simba?
    Sun Simian?
    It all sounds like MONKEY BUSINESS to me.

  14. Edgar A. Gunther says:

    Keef,
    I also do not understand your brazen hostility towards Morgan Solar. I don’t see a connection to any of the companies you have mentioned. I wonder if we should henceforth refer to you as “CPV Fan”?

    I never bothered with Green and Gold but I have been critical of EMCORE and posted about the Pod Generating Group nonsense a while back.

    Morgan Solar will succeed or fail on their own merits and execution independent of your comment stream of criticism.

  15. I really have better things to do than to worry about slander coming from “CPV Fan” (Well put Edgar!) He can compare us to other CPV companies; that’s his opinion and that’s fine. Once our systems are in spec and working, independent data will be readily available on our website for all to see. If “Keef’s” actions were not ill intended, then why wouldn’t he go by his real name? Keith Edward Leech. Mr. Leech, all I can say is that I’m done feeding the troll. You go ahead and write what you wish. If you’re a man of your word, once we have our independent testing and certification in place, I expect you to come here and eat that hat of yours while you apologize. It will make for a fine youtube video: “CPV Fan eats his hat!”

    Regards,

    Sebastian Martinez
    Morgan Solar Inc.

  16. Keef Wivanef says:

    Righto Sebastian.
    Tell your cosy little family that I will be around there to eat my hat just as soon as you have your silly little widget certified to IEC 62108.
    I will pick up a few of your Sun Simians while I am there, just so long as they are carry a decent warranty and are at a reasonable price compared to gold old fashioned flat panels.

    Some more questions for you.
    Why do you waste so much time on money attending trade shows all over the place when you don’t have anything to sell?
    How are you any different to Green and Gold Energy with their bullsheet SunCube?

  17. Keef Wivanef says:

    I meant GOOD old fashioned flat panels.
    Good as gold, compared to CPV crapola.

    More power to the acre…blah blah
    Overcomes silicon shortage..blah blah blah
    Just trying to save our small blue planet…blah blah blah!!
    Yawn….

    About Green and Gold Energy

    Mission:
    Our mission is to build GW (1,000 MWs) class SunCube™ manufacturing factories world wide, enabling the construction of GW class SunCube™ based solar farms worldwide and making available the CO2 free kWhs to a carbon constrained world.

    Goal:
    Our goal is to reduce the delivered cost of SunCube™ kWhs to that available from fossil fueled electricity generators. GW class SunCube™ based solar farms then become a sensible, financial and logical choice for all electricity utilities worldwide.

    Strategy:
    Our solar strategy is to dramatically exceed the cost effectiveness of existing PV flat panels through focused innovations in both the effective collection of solar energy (peak kWs) and the generation of maximum annual electric power (kWhs).

    Execution:
    To execute this program, our design and development teams are working on the innovative and ground breaking “SunCube™”. Featuring a high efficiency (>35%) solar energy harvester, smart dawn to dusk “Max kWh™” internal 2 axis sun tracker and “Cool PV™” low operational CPV cell temperature. Extensive testing is being done to ensure 25+ years of life and high reliability. Once these characteristics are achieved, GW class SunCube™ manufacturing factories and solar farms will be constructed worldwide and the SunCube™

    Yawn……
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz

  18. Mrt says:

    Keef would like some more info on sun cube. Apparently thet have secured a 58mil dollar contract with the Thai government. Is this true? How could the Thai govt sign up on a non IEC accredited product. Would be keen on reading ur thoughts. Cheers!

  19. Keef Wivanef says:

    Hi Mister T

    $58M from the gummint?

    Nothing would surprise me any more!!

    http://www.dkasolarcentre.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=416

    $450,000 from the South Australian government for a trial.
    Oh dear, trial delayed because the ground was contaminated!!!

    Yeah…right!!!

  20. Mrt says:

    Hi keef.

    ThAnks for your feedback. I have also heard from others in the solar industry the suncube is a scam. What worries me is how people are handing loads of money over. Do you have any further info on the Thai venture? I truly find it difficult to believe a govt organisation would hand over 58 mill for a faulty product. Keen to hear from you. Cheers!

  21. MySchizoBuddy says:

    I’m still waiting for an actual install from Morgan Solar. Datasheets? Information about the multijunction cells. Are you buying it from Spectrolab or someone else. What type of tracking accuracy is required? What are your module efficiencies? How much land for 1MW installation?

    There is lot of information you can post without giving up your IP.

  22. Keef Wivanef says:

    Morgan Solar attracts $16.5m for CPV manufacturing

    26 May 2011

    Morgan Solar has raised $16.5m in the first tranche of Series B funding, which it will put to use by stepping up the manufacturing and deployment of its concentrated photovoltaic (CPV) modules.

    Iberdrola’s venture arm Inversiones Financieras Perseo and $1.1bn global contract manufacturer Nypro were returning participants in the round. They were joined by new investors including Floridian private investor The Frost Group.

    Morgan Solar said in a statement it is in talks with strategic investors to close the remaining portion of the round and plans to complete a number of demonstrations and establish a production facility in California.

    It said it will combine the new capital with a $3.3m state loan to build the manufacturing plant in addition to extending its existing manufacturing and development operations.

    The company manufactures lightweight, low-cots and thin modules based on its patented solar optic technology.

    ‘The Morgan Solar approach to CPV provides, for the first time, an opportunity to deliver grid-competitive levelised costs of electricity without subsidies, across global markets,’ said Asif Ansari, CEO of Morgan Solar.

    Well, they would say that wouldn’t they!!!

    Holy crap…..how much munny do you need?
    Don’t you claim that this is LOW COST solar?

    Sounds like bollocks to me!
    How much does the tracker cost?
    How many Kilos of aluminium needed for the heat sinks?
    How can it possibly compete with flat panel which is now below a dollar a watt?

    Scamorama (imho)

  23. kyle Lynch says:

    Keef,
    What is so hard about using Lightguides? You use them all the time you talk on the telephone or send messages on the internet. It is what fiberoptics use!

  24. Marcus says:

    Hi, its been a year and a half since this article, is morgan solar still the company to watch? Whats the latest on their test sites, output, etc? Keef, any news?

  25. Eric Viera says:

    Light guiding means internal reflexions (at least two and sometimes more). The light which reaches the PV cell will depend on the reflectivity and transmission yields along the optical path which are never 100%.
    They report 19.5 % yield for their prototype in spite of using 35%+ triple junction cells which seems to confirm this. In fiber optics, the transmitivity is much higher than for “normal” glass. The main problem will be to find a cheap plastic with extremely good optical properties if they wish to further improve yields.

  26. Keef Wivanef says:

    “Marcus Says:
    February 27th, 2012 at 15:32
    Hi, its been a year and a half since this article, is morgan solar still the company to watch? Whats the latest on their test sites, output, etc? Keef, any news?”

    Of course there is no news (except for the ongoing fundraising)
    “just trying to save the poor underdeveloped folks by giving them cheaper solar”
    Pig’s arse!
    BTW I won my defamation case against Greg Watson and his stinky SunCube
    http://defamationwatch.com.au/chatroom-defamation-dont-defend-and-down-30000-leech-v-green-gold-energy-pty-ltd-2011-nswsc-999/

    GGE is now in receivership because Watson doesn’t like to pay taxes..

    G’Day Nichoman,

    My overall opinion of Defkalion is like NASA’s;

    “Staff members of Defkalion that I spoke with do not appear to be fabricating information for a show. What they talked to me about and the answers they gave me to my questions seemed to be based on experience that they have gained through trial and error with many different aspects of this technology.”

    The problem with the US was that they wanted a contract written that certain entities (not hard to guess) couldn’t have access to this technology. This runs counter to everything Defkalion wants to do with this product. They balked at even the idea. Good on ‘em. I wish the ‘pollies’ in the States would pull their heads out of their bums.

    I now live in the Middle-East. For now, I’ve given Oz the ‘flick’. The current government leaders used to call each other ‘Comrade’. Until there is a bit of political tidial change in Australia, I’m bowing out for now. I want to keep the $$ I earn and not give it to a bunch of dead-beat ‘drongos’, like the current government in Australia currently does. I was last taxed on my income at 45%, on top of a 10% GST in Australia. This doesn’t even include all the hidden taxes and tarriffs. For instance, everything from the States, is twice the price as you would find in the US. Go figure? In the Middle East, it’s the same price as the States.

    Regards,

    Woomera (aka Greg Watson)

    Defkalion is his new scam “cold fusion” yeah…right!

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